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TOPIC: Why I Believe In God
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:31 am
From: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com"

On Nov 30, 6:48 pm, niteangel99 <niteange...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I believe in God,not because of mommy are daddy.Are someone making me
> believe. I know first hand experience how he saved me.

How did he save you?

> How he came to me,in dreams and visions.
> How I have the Holy Spirit.He is with me now.

Great! Would you please ask him what became of my cat that disappeared
one day many moons ago, and post his answer?

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TOPIC: Vatican raises the white flag..
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:32 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

your hero.

On Nov 30, 7:18 pm, "Dev" <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> --http://www.fastmail.fm- mmm... Fastmail...
>
> jimjones.jpg
> 411KViewDownload

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:34 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

and war on terror is not something right out of the twilight zone and
impossible...but the USA is terrorizing the world doing it! Just
asking to be put into place once and for all times.

On Nov 30, 7:23 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Yep, the mean words of the anti-theists are responsible for what
> theists do. I've heard this reasoning from one of Allan's
> contemporaries...
>
> "It paled when you went overboard in your unbelief . . . and went to
> the extent of publishing those insulting drawings. If there is no
> check on your freedom of words, then let your hearts be open to the
> freedom of our actions." -- Osama bin Laden
>
> On Nov 30, 4:58 pm, Treebeard <allan_c_cybuls...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 30, 6:07 pm, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > ... and surrenders the Godbothering standard to the Muslims.
>
> > >http://richarddawkins.net/article,3377,Vatican-thanks-Muslims-for-ret...
>
> > > Apparently the Church hates heathens more than infidels. Perhaps we
> > > should rename this forum to Atheism vs Islam?
>
> > This is precisely the sort of fruit that anti-theism bears; religions
> > joining together to oppose the greater foe of those who would aim to
> > eliminate all belief entirely, instead of moderate religious people
> > and religions joining with the "anti-theists" against extremist
> > religions.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:36 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

You really are saying by Muhammad the false prophet! The rest is ok
and the people really nice more moral than most of the planet. Once
the false prophet is removed from them, they will be better than all
of you put together!

On Nov 30, 7:45 pm, Bob Crowley <bobcrow...@acenet.net.au> wrote:
> Rest assured, you're going to be challenged by Islam in a far more
> dogmatic way than you are by the Church.
>
> On Dec 1, 9:07 am, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > ... and surrenders the Godbothering standard to the Muslims.
>
> >http://richarddawkins.net/article,3377,Vatican-thanks-Muslims-for-ret...
>
> > Apparently the Church hates heathens more than infidels. Perhaps we
> > should rename this forum to Atheism vs Islam?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:40 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

is that why athiest are dropping in numbers all over the planet and
doing all kinds of efforts and still fall in numbers... i for one get
a lot of mail saying they stopped being atheist as they thank me for
saving them from the ignorance they were shoved into from birth. The4
GOD is life stops all atheist from existing so that each that claim it
need a new word for a GOD does exist and so the word atheist itself
has to be looked at and maybe even removed from the Earth as a
possible thing to be!
Why?
Because to be atheist is to be against life and so not worth to be
alive just like cancer is against life and so is killed to heal the
body... we being more wise and advance will let you die of old age but
not let you breed the lies that atheist is real.

On Nov 30, 7:57 pm, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 10:58 am, Treebeard <allan_c_cybuls...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 30, 6:07 pm, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > ... and surrenders the Godbothering standard to the Muslims.
>
> > >http://richarddawkins.net/article,3377,Vatican-thanks-Muslims-for-ret...
>
> > > Apparently the Church hates heathens more than infidels. Perhaps we
> > > should rename this forum to Atheism vs Islam?
>
> > This is precisely the sort of fruit that anti-theism bears; religions
> > joining together to oppose the greater foe of those who would aim to
> > eliminate all belief entirely, instead of moderate religious people
> > and religions joining with the "anti-theists" against extremist
> > religions.
>
> Europe is secular, not anti-theist. To draw the ire of religious
> loonies, all atheists have to do is keep breathing.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:42 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

No, it just make liars like you more exose and doomed in fate of
history

On Nov 30, 8:44 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> In any case, Islam wouldn't exist without Christianity and Judaism as
> precursors, and the overlapping concept of ideas being "religious" and
> therefore invulnerable to things like reason and criticism make all of
> them one problem in the grand scheme of things.
>
> On Nov 30, 5:55 pm, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 1, 11:45 am, Bob Crowley <bobcrow...@acenet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > Rest assured, you're going to be challenged by Islam in a far more
> > > dogmatic way than you are by the Church.
>
> > The Church are the people who invented dogma, remember?
>
> > From my perspective it doesn't make much difference whether people
> > want to kill me for looking at a cartoon, or violating a biscuit.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:46 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

Christian think Catholics to be PAGANS with a false God making lies up
about life after death other than Jesus teach as SPIRIT only doing so
by recordings only... On Peter and not one word on Saul that was never
made Paul!
Pagans want MAGIC and GOD offer greatest of all wisdom but no magic at
all. Catholics are just Pagan wanting and greed over a false Idol for
impossible things over the greatest of all things offered.

On Dec 1, 3:04 am, meisteh <meis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How can they not see the hypocricy? :/
>
> Catholics, according to their doctrines, must believe Muslims to be
> blasphemous sinners who spit in the face of the true God by
> worshipping a false one... but rather than being honest they praise
> them.
>
> It irks me nearly as much as the actual beliefs.
>
> On Dec 1, 9:07 am, Saint Onan <gigacy...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > ... and surrenders the Godbothering standard to the Muslims.
>
> >http://richarddawkins.net/article,3377,Vatican-thanks-Muslims-for-ret...
>
> > Apparently the Church hates heathens more than infidels. Perhaps we
> > should rename this forum to Atheism vs Islam?

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TOPIC: Please help me understand.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:34 am
From: checkers

On Dec 1, 6:09 am, Ruthie <willruthie1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am just so confused. The bible never made sense to me. The things
> written were horrible. Revelations makes me scared. Please someone
> tell me how A god who loves us would treat us this way. Please someone
> explaine the truth about other saviors with similar stories to christ.
> I am tired of lies. I want the truth. Once someone can show me the
> truth,that the bible is true than I will ask to be saved. I have
> asked lots of times to be saved and nothing happened.

chx
i was atheist and became theist without influence from people or the
Bible. the OT of the Bible is still confusing to me. the NT is easy to
follow. what makes you think the fools here can help you become
theist? this choice is yours.

nothing in the Bible is horrible or scary. natural 'disasters' are
exactly that, natural.
if i tell you a place is frequented by hurricanes every two to three
years and you still build your house there, do you blame a 'God' when
it is destroyed?
if a man (your president) tells you to go shoot some Arabs, do you
blame a God?

you only find truth in the Bible when you find truth in yourself.

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TOPIC: The universal goal of all religions
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:40 am
From: jesko

ego-trascendence stands for the capability of ego = the complex flow
of consciusness to
become something also?

You're wrong, totally!

On Nov 9, 6:34 pm, Joe <thelemiccatho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The universal goal of all religions - including atheistic or
> apatheistic ones - is ego-transcendence.
>
> Comments?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:50 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

so go kill yourself so you not have to face it!
You love to look and play search for death on the web to tell us how
much a freak you are...show us how real you are...go die. Why should
we suffer you taking breath? Do us all a great big thing just die
tonight and we all will be better off forever.

On Nov 9, 6:52 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Anyone who thinks the religious are credible sources regarding
> religion doesn't deserve to live.
>
> On Nov 9, 10:34 am, Joe <thelemiccatho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The universal goal of all religions - including atheistic or
> > apatheistic ones - is ego-transcendence.
>
> > Comments?

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TOPIC: How do Christians avoid worshipping the wrong god?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 1:45 am
From: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com"

On Nov 30, 3:18 pm, Bob Crowley <bobcrow...@acenet.net.au> wrote:
> While we're on this topic, which I think is absurd anyway, since as
> God exists, He knows what our intentions are anyway. He may be a
> jealous God by His own admission, but at the same time, He knows our
> frame. He also keeps His covenants, as He has to be true to Himself.

Has he kept his covenant that Israelites would never get ill again?
the LORD will take away from thee all sickness - Deuteronomy 7:15

> I don't have any doubt Christians are on the right track. The way the
> most effective groups are persecuted indicates the devil hates them,
> and hence they attract trouble by the ton.

What does it take for the god one worships to be the wrong God?
Calling him by the wrong name? Something other than that?

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TOPIC: Christmas and Easter
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:11 am
From: Observer

On Dec 1, 12:38 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What we need to celebrate is peace.
>

Observer
It is necessary to achieve peace then celebrate it .
Psychonomist

> On Nov 30, 11:34 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have copies and pasted the entire article because I figured that y'all
> > would want to read this one. He is good. Christmas and Easter should not
> > be holidays in the USofA anymore!! Whoopee
>
> > Tis The Season … 2008 - This Week's Feature Article - by Jack Kelley –www.gracethrufaith.com
>
> > (This article was originally published in November of 2005 when the
> > controversy over the Christmas season was first heating up. It's even more
> > relevant today. I've expanded and updated it for this holiday season.)
>
> > For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree
> > out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it
> > with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not
> > totter." (Jeremiah 10:3-4)
>
> > A friend once observed that when you see the Christmas
> > decorations begin to go up on Main Street, you know that Thanksgiving must
> > be near. That's because in the US, Thanksgiving weekend officially kicks off
> > the Christmas season. Special school programs, parties, shopping, all the
> > things Christmas has become these days begin in earnest on the day after
> > Thanksgiving.
>
> > Of course there's a concerted effort on several fronts to make
> > the holiday season as non-Christian as possible, so that it's no longer for
> > Christians only. Anti-Christians want to deprive Americans of all our public
> > religious observances, so taking manger scenes off of court house lawns, and
> > Christmas Carols out of school concerts is right up their alley. And neo-
> > pagans rightly say that Christians hijacked what used to be their holiday,
> > the Winter Solstice, so it shouldn't be exclusively Christian anyway.
>
> > There's More Here Than Meets The Eye
>
> > But I suspect there's also another motive behind this effort,
> > and it's an attempt to further increase the traditionally high levels of
> > Christmas spending. Many US retailers depend on a strong Christmas shopping
> > season to be profitable for the year, and holiday sales tax receipts are an
> > important part of every state and local government's annual revenue. Getting
> > more shoppers into stores makes good business sense all around.
>
> > Maybe this is why other religions have been encouraged to join
> > in the season, too. In recent years, some denominations of Judaism (there
> > are 72) have made their Hanukkah into a Christmas-like celebration, and now
> > we have Kwanzaa, an African holiday that first came on the world scene in
> > 1966 and is based on seven principles arrayed as a seven branched
> > candlestick that looks surprisingly like a Jewish menorah. (Its official
> > website claims 18 million celebrants.) Like Christmas and Hanukkah, Kwanzaa
> > involves gift giving, special decorations, and lots of good food. It begins
> > on Dec. 26 and includes a big feast on New Years Eve. Both these movements
> > bring millions of new shoppers into stores during what's now called the
> > "holiday" season.
>
> > But That's Not All.
>
> > A few years ago American Moslems began petitioning some school
> > districts for days off and special programs in recognition of their December
> > holiday, Eid-Ul-Adha, (December 11in 2008) . In frustration one district has
> > canceled all holiday programs, including the Christmas ones, to avoid the
> > problems this could cause. It's not Politically Correct to favor one
> > religion over another in America, even with traditions as old as Christmas.
> > Having no special programs at all is the easiest way out.
>
> > That's the problem when multi-culturalism and freedom of
> > religion meet. If you encourage every religious group to celebrate its own
> > holidays, which ones should get official sanction? It has to be either all
> > of them or none of them, because anything in between is discriminatory
> > toward someone.
>
> > So far the multi-culturalists seem only to be offended by the
> > observance of Christian holidays. Maybe that's because for the most part
> > they're the only ones officially recognized in the US. Government offices
> > typically aren't closed on Passover or Ramadan. 1700 years ago the Romans
> > solved this problem by re-making former pagan Holy Days into Christian ones.
> > That's how we got Christmas and Easter in the first place. Of course they
> > were only trying to replace one religion with another. Today we're trying to
> > recognize all religions. See the problem? What's The Solution?
>
> > Personally, I'd like to see all religious holidays observed by
> > followers of the religion to which they apply, but none of them officially
> > recognized by the various branches of government. If we're going to have
> > separation of church and state, let's have it. The US constitution does
> > address freedom of religious expression, even if it doesn't guarantee
> > freedom from religion. How much more productive could our government be if
> > it didn't have to be closed for all our holidays?
>
> > And as for the people who don't follow any religion, why should
> > they be forced to observe Holy Days they don't believe in? Even more
> > productivity could be realized if they just went to work like it was any
> > other day. To be non-discriminatory, we could create an un-holiday for them,
> > sort of like the un-birthday in Alice in Wonderland.
>
> > I'd also like for Christians everywhere to give the winter and
> > spring solstices back to the pagans and celebrate the Lord's birth and His
> > resurrection on the actual anniversary of their occurrence. That would go a
> > long way toward restoring the original meaning to the two most important
> > events in human history. We could stop spending money we don't have to give
> > meaningless gifts to people we don't even like at Christmas time, and we
> > could stop teaching our kids pagan fertility rites instead of the wonder of
> > the Lord's resurrection at Easter.
>
> > I realize I sound little like Andy Rooney here, but before you
> > start calling me a spoil sport, think about it. The Lord's birth and His
> > resurrection are cause for extraordinary celebration on the part of all who
> > understand their significance to humankind. And if the focus of our
> > celebration was on that significance instead of some meaningless pagan
> > ritual, wouldn't we all approach our Holy Days with a lot more reverence and
> > celebrate them with a lot more gratitude? And wouldn't the non-believers who
> > know us be a lot more curious as to why we're so grateful? And wouldn't that
> > lead to more conversations about our eternal destiny, and theirs? Certainly
> > some of them would be saved because of this, and wouldn't the Lord be
> > blessed by all of that? Tell me this doesn't make sense.
>
> > Here's Another Good Reason
>
> > Many Christians are increasingly offended by the commercial
> > excesses of Christmas, and if all of its original purpose is just about lost
> > anyway, what's the point in continuing it? Best to abandon it altogether and
> > have a real Happy Birthday Jesus celebration in the early fall when He was
> > actually born. And as for Easter, let's call it by its real name,
> > Resurrection Morning, and celebrate it on the Sunday morning after Passover
> > when He actually rose from the grave.
>
> > Researching the origin of the two most important Holy Days in
> > Christianity, you'll find that right from the beginning the motivation had
> > more to do with profit than piety. There were already pagan festivals in
> > place on these dates that involved celebrating, exchanging of gifts and
> > riotous public banquets, all of which generated lots of income for
> > merchants. Superimposing Christian customs upon these pagan festivals was an
> > accommodation to commercial interests, pure and simple. It allowed them to
> > keep selling stuff to their customers as in the past, just under a different
> > banner. Isn't it about time we abandon this offense to our Lord, and begin
> > paying Him the homage due Him as our Savior and Redeemer?
>
> > The anti-Christians have just about succeeded in stripping away
> > every last vestige of religious meaning from these holidays, and the Lord
> > permits it because they've been counterfeit right from the beginning. Let's
> > let them have their way, and follow the example of our Christian ancestors
> > who for 400 years or so refused to participate in what they knew were really
> > pagan celebrations re-packaged as Christian Holy Days. They were no more
> > fooled by this than the Lord is.
>
> > Over the years there've been several attempts to steer us back
> > toward the original purpose of the holidays without abandoning them
> > altogether. As a kid I remember an effort to "put Christ back into
> > Christmas." And a few years ago a clever marketing strategy reminded us that
> > "Jesus is the Reason for the Season." Neither of these attempts was
> > successful. It's time for something more dramatic, like starting over from
> > scratch.
>
> > Where Do We Start?
>
> > Lately, people have been asking me what we can do to prepare for
> > our soon coming departure. Since some economic forecasters are saying that
> > our economy will be a long time recovering, if it ever does, I think
> > Christians could make a great start by changing the way we look at our two
> > most significant holy days. I'm not naive enough to think this could all
> > happen overnight, and perhaps we'll never be completely successful. But if
> > we each commit to a small start, and begin talking to others of a like mind,
> > who knows how soon we could change things for the better.
>
> > One thing we could do is start
>
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TOPIC: USA going to be forced to drop Capitalism and give back stolen rights!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:12 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

Yes the USA will be forced soon to
1) Change to metric
2) give people the cities they want that are free of products like
tobacco, booze or bad medical products or coffee, any combination or
all so the children be never exposed to such terrible things. freedom
is not to even know it existed or does out there in some city.

The USA discriminates against children women races religions and all
kinds of hum rights all in the boast of freedom and democracy!
In the USA you do not have the right to live a city of
Gays and just gays
medical people and just medical people
a race of people and just a race of people
a set mix of races of people
a set goal of breeding for specific attributes.
a complete city with no children and no breeders.
a complete city that has no money or need of money.
A communist city
a socialist city
A city of just one religion

USA discriminates against just about all kind of tribal slants
possible for the most dysfunctional one of Capitalism and elections
that make no sense, and are not even close to have morals or logic to
them to serve the people.

USA is Broke and is a country that betrays its own People by refusing
any kind of freedom other than the random and ext6remes of Capitalism
that never in history has worked for Humanity to do anything but war
and cheat each other to cause wars.

No freedom to be what you are in your own city that is apart of the
others, then the USA discriminates against you all, and you are all
too blind to know what you don't have. Ape Humans simply are too blind
to know what is missing of the puzzle they never could and can't
solve.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 3:51 am
From: Drafterman

Is this before, or after you think Bush will kill himself?

On Dec 1, 5:12 am, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> Yes the USA will be forced soon to
> 1) Change to metric
> 2) give people the cities they want that are free of products like
> tobacco, booze or bad medical products or coffee, any combination or
> all so the children be never exposed to such terrible things. freedom
> is not to even know it existed or does out there in some city.
>
> The USA discriminates against children women races religions and all
> kinds of hum rights all in the boast of freedom and democracy!
> In the USA you do not have the right to live a city of
> Gays and just gays
> medical people and just medical people
> a race of people and just a race of people
> a set mix of races of people
> a set goal of breeding for specific attributes.
> a complete city with no children and no breeders.
> a complete city that has no money or need of money.
> A communist city
> a socialist city
> A city of just one religion
>
> USA discriminates against just about all kind of tribal slants
> possible for the most dysfunctional one of Capitalism and elections
> that make no sense, and are not even close to have morals or logic to
> them to serve the people.
>
> USA is Broke and is a country that betrays its own People by refusing
> any kind of freedom other than the random and ext6remes of Capitalism
> that never in history has worked for Humanity to do anything but war
> and cheat each other to cause wars.
>
> No freedom to be what you are in your own city that is apart of the
> others, then the USA discriminates against you all, and you are all
> too blind to know what you don't have. Ape Humans simply are too blind
> to know what is missing of the puzzle they never could and can't
> solve.

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TOPIC: Would anyone like to answer a few questions to help me with an
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:17 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

No, you just have mental problems and take them out here.

On Dec 1, 12:33 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The standard response would be "fuck you, you're retarded, who the
> fuck are you, what possessed you to seek our help in the first place,
> don't you know we're a bunch of queer devil-worshipers, if you can put
> up with this abuse...", and watch out for that Maxy guy--he's got a
> mean streak, "...well, hey then welcome to the club. We're just a
> bunch of losers, who like ranking down all the other losers."
>
> Welcome to the ward.
>
> On Nov 30, 9:15 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> > questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> > write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> > send it it me if you like.
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Brandon

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:18 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

again showing the insanity.

On Dec 1, 12:59 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But your just not queer enough yet, so just hang around a little bit
> longer and it will rub off on you, and then anyone would be just
> jubilascious to help.
>
> On Nov 30, 9:57 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for the welcome:) I don't want to call you devil worshipers
> > and I can handle the abuse. I just need to have one more person
> > answer the questions. It is due Tuesday, but I need to still write a
> > response after others respond to the questions. Thanks for responding
> > to the post.
>
> > On Nov 30, 9:33 pm, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The standard response would be "fuck you, you're retarded, who the
> > > fuck are you, what possessed you to seek our help in the first place,
> > > don't you know we're a bunch of queer devil-worshipers, if you can put
> > > up with this abuse...", and watch out for that Maxy guy--he's got a
> > > mean streak, "...well, hey then welcome to the club. We're just a
> > > bunch of losers, who like ranking down all the other losers."
>
> > > Welcome to the ward.
>
> > > On Nov 30, 9:15 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> > > <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> > > > questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> > > > write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> > > > send it it me if you like.
> > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > Brandon- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:20 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

no stupid insane person..you are the queer one not doing your part and
playing the insane fool thinking this place is perfect for your
sickness.

On Dec 1, 1:02 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And this, from queen queer.
>
> On Nov 30, 9:46 pm, Expulsive <TomAnders...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ward has deep issues and probably is in need of psychiatric treatment
> > - just ignore that kind of no-intellect and no-talent poison. Ward is
> > dismissed and given to God in prayer. God Speed Ward, to wherever the
> > hell you're going - I'd wager its jail.
>
> > On Dec 1, 12:33 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The standard response would be "fuck you, you're retarded, who the
> > > fuck are you, what possessed you to seek our help in the first place,
> > > don't you know we're a bunch of queer devil-worshipers, if you can put
> > > up with this abuse...", and watch out for that Maxy guy--he's got a
> > > mean streak, "...well, hey then welcome to the club. We're just a
> > > bunch of losers, who like ranking down all the other losers."
>
> > > Welcome to the ward.
>
> > > On Nov 30, 9:15 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> > > <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> > > > questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> > > > write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> > > > send it it me if you like.
> > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > Brandon- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:21 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

If you are too stupid to answer the 20 questions and need to play fool
and post... we note your low IQ and ways.

On Dec 1, 2:36 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 30, 9:15 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> > questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> > write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> > send it it me if you like.
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Brandon
>
> What dim witted uneducated member of the priest craft structured such
> crap for you? Would it not have been more direct to simply ask ,Are
> you a believer in Christianity or not.
>
> I will swiftly answer No ! It is based on the most completely stupid
> story of the most stupid book ever written (that is plagiarized) by
> Neolithic goat herders.
>
> Psychonomist

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:23 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

If he asked Thesit the to healp he not have such problems getting IQ
to work and actually get things done. the lack of ability of th
Atheist fools (Athies does not exist because life is a GOD that makes
it a word to claim is to also claim liar and fool at the same time.
)

On Dec 1, 3:48 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:40 am, "kosterbran...@gmail.com" <kosterbran...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's fun and all to have fun and call each other queers, but is anyone
> > willing to answer the questions?
>
> chx
> you must be sharp here. look around, they are replying. this is the
> best it will get.
>
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 10:02 pm, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > And this, from queen queer.
>
> > > On Nov 30, 9:46 pm, Expulsive <TomAnders...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ward has deep issues and probably is in need of psychiatric treatment
> > > > - just ignore that kind of no-intellect and no-talent poison. Ward is
> > > > dismissed and given to God in prayer. God Speed Ward, to wherever the
> > > > hell you're going - I'd wager its jail.
>
> > > > On Dec 1, 12:33 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > The standard response would be "fuck you, you're retarded, who the
> > > > > fuck are you, what possessed you to seek our help in the first place,
> > > > > don't you know we're a bunch of queer devil-worshipers, if you can put
> > > > > up with this abuse...", and watch out for that Maxy guy--he's got a
> > > > > mean streak, "...well, hey then welcome to the club. We're just a
> > > > > bunch of losers, who like ranking down all the other losers."
>
> > > > > Welcome to the ward.
>
> > > > > On Nov 30, 9:15 pm, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
>
> > > > > <kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> > > > > > questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> > > > > > write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> > > > > > send it it me if you like.
> > > > > > Thanks for the help,
> > > > > > Brandon- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 3:45 am
From: Stonethatbleeds

Thank you to all who responded to my post!
Here are the questions as stated in the assignment. In this
assignment I will use your responses to write about different
worldviews.
I. Your understanding of the world and reality
1. a)What exists? b) What kinds of things are really real? C) Only
matter? d) What about non-material things and abstract things (such
as mind, spirit, ideas, or numbers)? e) What types of non-physical
things might exists?

a) Life and non life
b) Life and non life
c) Life and non life
d) Life and non life
e) Life and non life have laws and place
[Your question changed from one to 5 questions, and so is a dumb thing
to do!}

2. If you believe that there is a non-physical dimension to reality,
do you think that either the material or the non-material is more
important than the other? Why? Or do you believe that they are
equally important?
The laws of physics limit all fantasies and life is about survival…
you serve life that is the one and only real God or you are traitor
to it in vanity and ignorance and blindness to the basic simple duty
to spread life to new worlds is all we are made to do by life, that is
god.

3. Has the universe always existed? Or did it come into existence at
a specific point in time?
The big bang event is not a singularity that just exploded! It was two
singularites not one and the universe is not just a big bang event. We
know the big bang to be a event of more than one part to prove no God
made it and it was a simple near collision of two singularities that
pulled surface layer material and then pulled it apart by opposing
gravities to cause an explosion back into light that was absorbed at
some past time.
No god is part of the bog bang and we have evidence in the 90's of the
events that are just on larger scales to make the big bang.

4. Do you believe there is a design or purpose to the universe? Why
or why not?
It just is as it ever was and ever change. Life on the other hand does
have survival and does evolve intelligence to cross limitations, and a
lot of proof exist it is so.

5. Do you believe that history is working toward a goal of some kind?
If so, what do you believe it is?
Since history is the past being recorded it can't have a goal as it is
HISTORY and the past is the past. You chose a dumb word like history
over humans? Life? History is dead thing and so not alive to have a
goal.

II. Your understanding of how you know what you know
6. a) Is knowledge possible? If so, how do we know anything? Please
explain your thoughts a bit.
a) knowledge is the accumulation of data so why think it is not
possible????
b) Yes we know data
c) There is nothing to explain
[Again with multiple questions over the one told to us!]

Opinion 1: You believe that we learn everything from our experiences
in the world – by seeing, tasting, touching, smelling, hearing

Opinion 2: You believe we know some things just by thinking logically;
we don't need to perceive everything through our senses; we can know
some things independently of our experience.

If this is your point of view, can you please give some examples of
things you know in this way?

Opinion 3: You have a third point of view, which is…

Since nether is true we ask why you thought ether was truth or only
answers as both are wrong and we learn by data and experience on
personal and as a whole [humanity over 1 man]

III. Your understanding of values and ethics
7. What is the most important thing in life?
LIFE survival
8. Does every society have some sort of value system? If so, where do
you think it comes from?
Cultures and traditions vary by breeding and isolation

9. Do human beings have a built in scene of right and wrong? If so,
where does it come from?
No they don't. proof in plenty shows all such things are passed by
education and not at all there when not passed.

10. Are any values absolute? In other words, are there some values
that every person – no matter what culture (s)he lives in / no matter
what period of history (s)he lives in- should believe in? Can you
offer some examples?
Survival is the only absolute for all life forms.
11. How do you personally decide right from wrong?

By the seals and the keys to the seals that judge all things.

12. Is there such a thing as tragic moral choice? In other words, are
we placed in a position where we have no choice except to do evil? If
so, can you give an example or two?
Capitalism leads to doom and wars 100% of the time yet no one stops it
from making victi8ms and holding slaved people… USA is against the
planet and refused metric conversion as all others did.
USA politics are undemocratic and refuse many kinds of things for the
worship of capitalism as a God of greed and vanity in waste over the
other kinds of known ways and wanted ways like closed cities that have
no drugs, booze or tobacco or any one or combination of products… in
the USA all cities must be same kind of dysfunctional place from porn
to fast food… a crime against the people and the future of life of
this world.

13. How would you evaluate this statement: Truth and values are
relative (This means they are not absolute and that they are
conditioned by individual or cultural factors). Why do you agree – or
not agree – with this statement?

Truth is truth, and so is not based in value system but in perception
of the laws of physics in action as a whole.

14. According to Situation Ethics, there are no rules that are obeyed
in every situation, and there are times when we have to break the
rules (even the Ten Commandments) in order to d the loving thing. In
the end, the only rule we always need to follow is the law of love.
How do you evaluate this point of view? Is it right or wrong?
It is wrong and lie so why would anyone think it not a lie for to
brake the 10 commandments to do good is impossible.

IV. Religion: My view of God and what it means to be human
15. Does God exist? If you answered yes, what do you think God is
like? Is God…
a. Personal? If so, what do you mean?
b. Impersonal? What does that mean?
c. What other words would you use to describe God?
God is life and life is God because no other thing but life and non
life exists. That give life responsibility and Humans a goal and
duties we see neglected and avoided by lack of profits in it by
capitalism.'

16. If you believe God exists, how do you think people come to know
God? If you do not believe God exists, how do you account for the
fact that so many people do believe?
Pagans and fools are rampant but we of God stand over all religions of
Earth and see liars in all and fools in all… only life is God and we
are the kingdom that betray or serve… to obey is to accumulate wisdom
and share it fully… evil is to exploit life and curb fate to
extinction as Capitalism is doing now.

17. What is the Bible?
A gathering of scrolls.

18. Do its teachings play any role in your daily life?
Yes it does and it be a lie to claim other for any human on the
planet.

19. How would you evaluate the claim that down deep all religions are
basically the same?
Bullshit lies!

20. What does it mean to be human?
a. Are we really distinct from lower animals, or are we a part of a
continuum?
Yes we must carry all kinds of life to all kinds of worlds as duty to
life.

b. How do we differ from lower animals?
Intelligence and duty to life.

c. Do you believe that humans have a soul (or are a soul)? If so,
please explain what you mean.

Humans have a spirit that is "the inside mind at work" that by the
teachings is to be recorded, and so live past death as recordings. The
better the recordings the better you cheat death till you do it so
well that it creates a book of life. You can visit all people of all
times since it started, and know then in that time as well as the
mindset of them as individual for the mind and body make a whole and
not just the body or the mind as both must be recorded to have a more
full view and not guess works… the essence of the self all other
concepts are lies and pagan works of a false God and idol worship and
demands… ashes to ashes and dust to dust!

21. Has the modern theory of evolution discredited Christian faith?
Christian faith has nothing against evolition but catholic faith has a
lot against evolution and is not Christian… it is Pagan!

If so, how? Also indicate which of the following options best
represents you own views. Please explain your answer just a bit.
a. I believe in Theistic evolution (the view that God guided the
process of evolution)
Lies we know 100% are lies!
b. I believe in the Naturalistic models of evolution.
So did Jesus the example on how to be human.

c. I believe God created the world in six 24 hour days.
Pagan fool ape thinking absolutely impossible with the god idol that
is claimed to have done it…that is not IAM of the scriptures…not the
same God at all!
d. I believe in creation, I reject evolution, and I accept the truth
of the Genesis account; but I think that the Genesis record was
intended to convey spiritual truth rather than a scientific account of
origins.
Again same thing just repeated
e. Other
Life is God and life make intelligence and intelligence gets
responsibility to carry life to new foundations to cling and evolve.
To think different is to be traitors to life. I am part of the kingdom
of God and you are lost pagans and fools that know not what is what or
how to serve… slaved apes that know not how to even build a city or a
home or how to make children properly… you all are apes to me… theist
or not! We of God are real and you are just dead thing ready to die
for money and politics.

Thanks for responding to my post about my Bible project! Here are the
questions.

Hey dummy, Next time you ask 20 Questions, do not lie to me and make
it 35
Try to be honest in life and not dumb blind and vain as I see you are
by the questions themselves being so poorly made and having added
silly things to them..
Next time I will not answer you because you lie up front!

I posted the questions to a blog I just created, let me know if you
have difficulties posting.
http://brandon520.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the help!

On Dec 1, 12:15 am, "kosterbran...@gmail.com"
<kosterbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I'm new and I need to interview a non-Christian using the 20
> questions I posted in the files section. I will use your responses to
> write a paper. You can just give your response in the document and
> send it it me if you like.
> Thanks for the help,
> Brandon

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will enter a new era of wholesome family entertainment and the Hollywood
pornographers will be claiming unemployment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:19 am
From: I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN

On 1 Dec, 02:02, Multiverse <cuta...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> wow,...that uh...sounds serious. does that work like the Richter
> scale? so the second "really" equates to like 10 times more gayness?
> I hadn't been aware of the classifications they use. Perhaps that's
> why, occasionally, a gay guy like him will think he has a good shot at
> getting my penis into his mouth just because I've had a few drinks.
> Next time I'll just say, no thanks, I am really, really, really,
> really heterosexual. That's gotta be a magnitude 10 or better!
>
> On Nov 30, 10:46 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure there's such a thing as a guy having a "penis fetish".
> > The correct expression would just be "he's really, really gay".
>

Peace and Everlasting Life

God loves you and wants you to enjoy peace and life, today and
eternally. God doesn't hate you, but He hates sin. He loved you before
you were born. He knew you'd need a Saviour and sent His only Son
Jesus to die in your place. Christ, who was without sin became a sin
sacrifice for you.

The Word of God says...

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John 3:16

"Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through
our Lord Jesus Christ;" Romans 5:1

"But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet
sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8

> > On Nov 30, 8:44 pm, Multiverse <cuta...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > why do you think this is an appropriate place to discuss your m d
> > > penis fetish?
>
> > > On Nov 30, 4:31 am, I AM A TRUE CHRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > > > When I go to the movies I want to be entertained. I don't want to see
> > > > Michael Douglas's aging erection. I am not a prude, but there is a
> > > > time and a place for everything, and the place for Michael Douglas's
> > > > penis is in his boxer shorts, not blown up to ludicrous proportions in
> > > > a movie theater. It was bad enough having to look at his flabby
> > > > buttocks in "Basic Instinct".
>
> > > > As if that wasn't bad enough, I predict that the ongoing pornoization
> > > > of Hollywood movies will lead to more expensive movie tickets, as the
> > > > big stars demand extra 'nudity money' to compensate them for
> > > > participating in the variety of depraved acts the perverted directors
> > > > dream up. After all, if full blown intercourse is allowed past the
> > > > censors, what next ? Teabagging ? Bagpiping ? Felching ? I don't even
> > > > want to think about it.
>
> > > > Before the moral collapse brought on by the liberal anything goes
> > > > 'free love' culture of the sixties, America's movies were governed by
> > > > something called the Hays Code. Amongst other things, this very fine
> > > > set of rules protected our children by mandating that certain levels
> > > > of decency prevailed on our screens. Here are some extracts to give
> > > > you an idea of the moral strength of the code:
>
> > > > # Excessive and lustful kissing, lustful embraces, suggestive postures
> > > > and gestures, are not to be shown.
>
> > > > # Pointed profanity (this includes the words, God, Lord, Jesus, Christ
> > > > - unless used reverently - Hell, S.O.B., damn, Gawd), or every other
> > > > profane or vulgar expression however used, is forbidden.
>
> > > > # No film or episode may throw ridicule on any religious faith.
>
> > > > # The use of the Flag shall be consistently respectful.
>
> > > > # Impure love must not be presented as attractive and beautiful.
>
> > > > Nowadays, modern cinematographers seem to take the Hays code, and
> > > > invert it. They don't feel as if their movie is complete, unless it
> > > > has scenes of impure love, disrespect for the flag, and blasphemy.
> > > > This sorry state of affairs cannot be allowed to continue.
>
> > > > In conclusion, this increasing permissiveness will cause movie ticket
> > > > prices to rise, and you may be forced to view Michael Douglas's erect
> > > > penis enlarged until it is 10 meters long. Now you can understand why
> > > > the Hays code must be ressurected. Hopefully with Mr Bush now firmly
> > > > seated in the Whitehouse, America will enter a new era of wholesome
> > > > family entertainment and the Hollywood pornographers will be claiming
> > > > unemployment- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:43 am
From: Observer

Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
stance?

If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?

I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.

What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
respond.

How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?

How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?

What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
starve to death?

If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.

If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?

Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
the source of the myth)

Why do you not believe that there is a god?

Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
force?

If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
ought to be preserved.

If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
Why not?

If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?

What value do you personally receive from posting here?

What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
your country in relation to these issues?

Regards to all

Psychonomist

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TOPIC: Could the U.S. be the 4th reich?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 2:56 am
From: chazworth

On Nov 29, 2:21 pm, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
> chaz,
>
> No, it hadn't escaped my attention. But now that you bring it up. What
> would the characteristics of that party be with a mixed race
> President? Just who would the party scapegoat and send to the
> concentration camps then, I wonder? Assuming the government is still
> holding elections and there is even a party left.

Well then, go ahead and try and answer your own questions and then
tell me if the result is any thing like the fourth reich would look
like!

>
> ward
>
> On Nov 29, 4:59 am, chazworth <chazwy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I think this is well out of line.
> > It might have escaped your attention but the US just elected a mixed
> > race Pres. It would be difficult for a racial supremacy party to gain
> > control of the US.
> > It is far more likely to happen in the East. Countries such as
> > Vietnam, Loas, THailand, together as a Federation, or even India are
> > more likely to find common cause against "white" domination of the
> > world.
>
> > On Nov 27, 12:56 am, Ward Yung <wardeny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > If history follows social patterns as some historians claim, ie.
> > > history repeating. Could there be a worldwide depression leaving the
> > > U.S. government weakened and vulnerable to a national socialist
> > > (fascist) party takeover? And what would be the social makeup or
> > > characteristics of that party?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: How are people led to Jesus?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 3:10 am
From: Observer

On Nov 29, 10:56 pm, sdanders <newbergfamily...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What prompts the unchurched to accept Jesus?

Observer
It is due primarily to a lack of an education which includes but is
not limited to critical thinking, up to date scientific data in the
fieds of biology, physics, social science, and an understanding of the
human animal including the neurology which releases adictive
endoginous opiates when one thinks that they are have an oportunity
for religious experience. Next I would credit general gulibility , and
last pure psychosis.

How can we more
> effectively witness to others?

Observer
Those who witness to others are purveyors of hideous superstitious
filth and should keep their god damned mouths shut as they are
committing crimes against humanity.
Those who witness to children are as guilty of child abuse as you
preachers and priests who rape children.

As a full-time minister, I have often
> been struck with the difficulty people have in reaching the unchurched
> (myself included).

Observer
Are you not ashamed that you can not find gainful employment and have
to live by fleecing your friends and neighbors while deceiving them?
If you don't think that you are a deceitful bastard then supply us
with scientifically verifiable substantiating data for the existence
or any act of any god ever? Much less that pathetic,fictive,
sadomasochistic monster worshiped by Christians. You know , the one
that had it's self /It's son tortured to death to save us from its own
wrath.

As a result, I am always looking for ways to lead
> people to Jesus.

You are Shamless and are to be concidered an equal to Typhoid Mary.
You deleberatly infect beople with a meme that is distructive not only
of their minds but of their very humanity.
>
> I am launching this discussion topic so that we can learn from each
> other.

Observer
You are steeped in superstition an such as you are not interested in
learning but in adding to your coffers by discovering tricks by which
ti deceive your fellows.

If you were interested in learning you would embark upon an education
as outlined above.

How can we lead a life that pursues the Great Commission? What
> has worked for you? What obstacles have you overcome? It would be good
> to hear some practical success stories.

Observer
This is not a site where we teach the fin art of conning your
neighbor . You will have to learn that from the superstitious/criminal/
political preachers and priests who are with out conscience nor
integrity.
>
> You can also take a brief survey to help answer these questions at:http://docshawn.com
>
> Once the survey is completed, you will have the option of having the
> results sent to you.

Fuck off with your mindless sruvay .

Get a life

Psychonomist

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 3:54 am
From: Rupert

On Nov 30, 2:56 pm, sdanders <newbergfamily...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What prompts the unchurched to accept Jesus? How can we more
> effectively witness to others? As a full-time minister, I have often
> been struck with the difficulty people have in reaching the unchurched
> (myself included). As a result, I am always looking for ways to lead
> people to Jesus.
>
> I am launching this discussion topic so that we can learn from each
> other. How can we lead a life that pursues the Great Commission? What
> has worked for you? What obstacles have you overcome? It would be good
> to hear some practical success stories.
>
> You can also take a brief survey to help answer these questions at:http://docshawn.com
>
> Once the survey is completed, you will have the option of having the
> results sent to you.

Probably the best way is to dose them, without their knowledge or
consent, with drugs that will completely remove any semblance of
rational judgement, such as LSD.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 1 2008 3:53 am
From: Drafterman

On Nov 29, 11:44 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 4:31 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 7:47 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 29, 12:41 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > checkers,
>
> > > > > You have an over-inflated opinion of your own importance,
> > > > > what makes you think you are so obnoxious as to warrant
> > > > > exclusion. We need people, who like you who are gulible enough
> > > > > to set themselves up as foils for the rest of us.
> > > > > Stay within the rules and you will be safe enough.
>
> > > > Rank paranoia does that to people.
>
> > > > The critical factor that keeps escaping him is that despite his constant
> > > > provocations and extreme abuse of the Moderators (two weeks - three threads
> > > > - almost a thousand abusive and slanderous posts just directed at me and
> > > > we're not including the ones that were directed at the others or the ones in
> > > > the past), He's Still Here.
>
> > > cjx
> > > you left the more important one out. i am not breaking rules!!!
>
> > > i am aloud to debate AND disagree with moderators - they are not gods.
> > > some mods here are bias.
>
> > > what i'm driving at has nothing to do with rules but the fact that you
> > > found it neccessary to mention you CAN ban me anytime YOU wish. this
> > > mention is rubbing the wrong way and sound like a threat. something
> > > like 'do what i say or else' your counter argument is, 'oh, you just
> > > said it to show you are fair and i am still here' haha, what a joke.
> > > there was no need to display your power.
>
> > Stating a possibility is not a thread. It's a fact.
>
> chx
> dpo what is the point of having rules then. a display of power kinda'
> overshadows the rules, yes?

Except there are no rules forbidding moderators from banning anyone
they want. What we do have, is an explicit, open agreement among
moderators to only ban certain people. That agreement can change at
any time.

>
>
>
> > > > It's either nothing short of a "miracle" or the Moderators are being fair.
>
> > > > Guess which explanation he'll pick? ;-)
>
> > > > There are medications to help people who suffer from delusions and paranoia
> > > > and it would be nice if he would seek medical assistance but unfortunately
> > > > ....
>
> > > > > On Nov 27, 8:23 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 27, 9:49 pm, LedZepp <FledZeppe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Wanderer then LiamToo, who would be next and why?
>
> > > > > > chx
> > > > > > i don't know who be next, i just know they are waiting for an excuse
> > > > > > to ban us one by one.
> > > > > > actually by their own words they don't need an excuse and don't even
> > > > > > need to give a reason to ban us. they own the game and do as they
> > > > > > please. they can ban me now and no one can stop them.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade.
> > > > "Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and
> > > > assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech
> > > > to free men from the bondage of irrational fears." --Louis D. Brandeis, US
> > > > Supreme Court Justice- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -

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