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TOPIC: Why does Quran say, "Kill infidels" and others?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:15 am
From: thewayoftruth1

"I hope you can work for this, and try to limit the activities of
groups like Al-Qaeda and Islamo-fascist dictators who interpret Islam
for their own selfish desires. " this is true and this what the
majority of muslims are trying to do but in other hand you also have a
role in limiting the activities of groups like AL-Qaeda and this by
refusing the war that your governments declare on muslim country under
false reasons like fighting terrorism and we have the example of iraq
that doesnt have any relation with terrorism actually this war bring
violence and terror to this country and as i said earlier Jihad can
only be declared when the Muslims are attacked and this what happened
in iraq ...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:25 am
From: Trance Gemini

On Mar 5, 1:15 pm, thewayoftruth1 <bicbess2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I hope you can work for this, and try to limit the activities of
> groups like Al-Qaeda and Islamo-fascist dictators who interpret Islam
> for their own selfish desires. " this is true and this what the
> majority of muslims are trying to do but in other hand you also have a
> role in limiting the activities of groups like AL-Qaeda and this by
> refusing the war that your governments declare on muslim country under
> false reasons like fighting terrorism and we have the example of iraq
> that doesnt have any relation with terrorism actually this war bring
> violence and terror to this country and as i said earlier Jihad can
> only be declared when the Muslims are attacked and this what happened
> in iraq ...

What about the war on Afghanistan? Do you consider that war an attack
on Muslims?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:03 am
From: Observer

On Mar 5, 10:15 am, thewayoftruth1 <bicbess2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I hope you can work for this, and try to limit the activities of
> groups like Al-Qaeda and Islamo-fascist dictators who interpret Islam
> for their own selfish desires. " this is true and this what the
> majority of muslims are trying to do but in other hand you also have a
> role in limiting the activities of groups like AL-Qaeda and this by
> refusing the war that your governments declare on muslim country under
> false reasons like fighting terrorism and we have the example of iraq
> that doesnt have any relation with terrorism actually this war bring
> violence and terror to this country and as i said earlier Jihad can
> only be declared when the Muslims are attacked and this what happened
> in iraq ...

Observer
And what think you of the Wahhabi , Should they call the shots ?

What is Jihad?
Vinod Kumar

Jihad has been going on in the world ever since Islam was born in the
seventh century but its latest manifestation has been, among other
places, most notably in Palestine, Chechnya, and Kashmir. Even, in
February 1998, when World Islamic Front issued a fatwa and a call for
Jihad to "every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded
to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their
money wherever and whenever they find it", it did not arouse much
interest in the general public. It took direct assault on 9/11 on the
fundamental symbols of what America stands for that it created some
curiosity. Today, Jihad is, no doubt, one of the most discussed terms
in America, if not the world.

What is Jihad? What drives a man to commit such horrendous acts
against humanity? What motivates Islamic terrorists? Why do they
operate under the name of Jihad?

And "Why do Muslims blow themselves up?" are common question everyone
is seeking answers for.

Dr. Eyad Sarraj, a Palestinian psychiatrist answers (Newsweek, April
8, 2002)

"This is the influence of the Koran, the most potent and powerful book
for the past 14 centuries. God promised Muslims who sacrificed for
Islam. that they would not die. They will live on in paradise. Muslims
hold to the promise literally."

How valid is this assertion?

What is Jihad?

View of traditionalists:
Dictionary of Islam defines jihad as "a religious war with those who
are unbelievers in the mission of Muhammad. It is an incumbent
religious duty, established in the Quran and in the Traditions as a
divine institution, enjoined specially for the purpose advancing Islam
and repelling evils from Muslims."1

In an introductory note to an article "Jihad in the Qur'an and Sunnah"
by Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid, ex-Chief Justice of Saudi
Arabia and of the Sacred Mosque of Mecca, Abdul Malik Mujahid, General
Manager of Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Saudi Arabia on the website
(www.islamworld.net) writes:

"Jihad is regarded as the best thing, one can offer voluntarily. It is
superior to non-obligatory prayers, fasting, Zakat, Umra and Hajj as
mentioned in the Qur'an and the Ahadith of the Prophet(pbuh). The
benefits of Jihad are of great extent and large in scope, while its
effects are far-reaching and wide-spreading as regards Islam and the
Muslims."

Sheikh Abdullah, ex-Chief Justice of Saudi Arabia defines Jihad as:

"Praise be to Allah swt Who has ordained Al-Jihad (the holy fighting
in Allah's Cause):

1. With the heart (intentions or feelings),

2. With the hand (weapons, etc.),

3. With the tongue (speeches, etc., in the Cause of Allah)

Allah has rewarded the one who performs it with lofty dwellings in the
Gardens (of Paradise)." 2

Other contrary Views:
Many non-Muslim modernists in the West deny that it has anything to do
with violence.

Many academic Muslims also dissociate Jihad with "Holy War". "In its
primary sense it is an inner thing, within self, to rid it from
debased actions or inclinations, and exercise constancy and
perseverance in achieving a higher moral standard" - they claim.
"Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions and
certainly not against Christians and Jews as some media and political
circles want it to be perceived. Islam does not fight other religions"
- they emphasize.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based group,
asserts that jihad "does not mean 'holy war.'" Instead, jihad is "a
central and broad Islamic concept that includes the struggle to
improve the quality of life in society, struggle in the battlefield
for self-defense . . . or fighting against tyranny or oppression."
CAIR even denies that Islam includes any concept of a "holy war."

Many other who go under the banner of modernists hold similar views on
the nature of jihad.

How is one to conclude what Jihad really means in Islam?
Ironclad definition of anything to do with Islam and its practical
manifestations can only be derived from what the basic scriptures of
Islam have to say on any particular issue.

What are the basic scriptures of Islam and why are they so important?
The single most basic scripture of Islam is indeed the Qur'an. The
next after the Qur'an are the traditions - the Sunnah -- of the
Prophet -- also known as Ahadith. The Qur'an is compilation of the
Revelation from Allah to Prophet Muhammad and the Sunnah is what
Prophet Muhammad did or said. Of the traditions, the ones compiled by
Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim are the most authentic.

Authenticity of Imam Bukhari's work can be judged from the fact that
he is reported to have collected over 300,000 Hadiths (traditions of
the Prophet) but "chose only approximately 7275 of which there is no
doubt about their authenticity." 3 Each Hadith comes with its line of
transmission that leads directly to Prophet Muhammad or his
companions.

Why are the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet so important to
Muslims? Instead of giving my personal opinion let me say what Rafiq
Zakaria, an eminent Islamic scholar and also known as modernist
progressive secular Muslim has to say on this.

"To Muslims, the Quran is the creation of god. However, it is equally
important to remember that there could have been no Quran without
Muhammad. He is not only its transmitter but also the embodiment of
its teachings... Muhammad and the Quran are inextricably intertwined." 4

"The Quran is, therefore, regarded by Muslims as immutable and
unchangeable, not metaphorically but literally. This is a matter of
faith for them, and reason can never deflect them from it." 5 (Italics
mine) He went on to say.

After enumerating the five pillars of Islam, he echos the sentiments
expressed above in another book and goes on to observe "it (the Quran)
contains guidelines a Muslim must follow." 6

Maulana Mawdudi, a great Islamic scholar and thinker expresses similar
views. Islam stands for complete faith in the prophet's teachings. It
stands for complete obedience to the system of life shown to us by the
prophet and any who ignores the medium of the prophet and claims to
follow God directly is not a Muslim.7

Maulana Wahiduddin has also expressed similar opinions.

Human reason or direct approach to God without the medium of the
prophet makes one sinner, if not apostate from Islam. No freedom of
slightest deviation is allowed. One has to follow the teachings of the
Quran and of the Prophet.

If we want to understand why the Muslims carry out jihad, we have to
understand what the Quran and the Sunnah have to say on this topic.
The opinions of Islamic scholars and other commentators are not valid
if they are not in conformity with the above.

What do the Quran and the Sunnah have to say on the subject of Jihad?
There is no chapter devoted exclusively to the subject of jihad in the
Quran. The Ayats pertaining to jihad are spread throughout the Quran.
If one were to sort them out and present them in a concise manner, one
would, in all likelihood, be accused of quoting them out of context.
But in each of the authentic Hadis - the Sunnah of the prophet --
there is a section dealing with the practice of jihad. So let us turn
our attention to the Sunnah. On close scrutiny of the Sunnah as
compiled in Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, apart from the
traditions of the prophet, frequent reference is made to the Quran. So
what is recorded in these two books is both, the Sunnah of the Prophet
as well as the revelations from God. Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim have
facilitated our work in informing us, in a concise form, what the
concept of jihad in Islam is?

Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan of Islamic University, Medina Al- Munawwara,
Saudi Arabia, the translator of Sahih Al-Bukhari, in the glossary of
Arabic words translates Jihad as "Holy fighting in the cause of Allah
or any other kind of effort to make Allah's word (Islam) superior
which is regarded as one of the principles of Islam." 8

Jihad defined:
Let us first try to find out what is Jihad? We don't have to go too
far.

The section on Jihad starts with invocation to Allah and Chapter I
opens quoting verses 9:111-112 of the Quran:

"Verily

Allah has purchased of the believers

Their lives and their properties;

For theirs (in return)

Is Paradise. They fight in His cause, so they

Kill (others) and are killed

It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him."9

Allah has made a binding promise with His believers to kill in His
cause and if they are killed they will get Paradise in return.

And again it repeats in chapter 2 "the best among the people is that
believer who strives his utmost in Allah's cause with both his life
and property and goes on to quote verses 61:10,11,12 . It says "it
(fighting in Allah's cause) is a bargain that will save you from a
grievous punishment..... He will forgive you, your sins and admit you
into Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful Mansions in
gardens of Eternity." And calls it "The supreme achievement." 10

Indeed the promise of Gardens with Rivers and Mansions must have
sounded very alluring in the harsh desert climate of Arabia.
Evidently, it does even today.

The superiority of Jihad:
"A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon is
better than the world and whatever is in it." Says Hadis 50 in chapter
5. 11

And "a place as small as a bow in Paradise is better than all that on
which the sun rises and sets (i.e. all the world)." And continues,
repeating, "A single endeavour in Allah's Cause is better than all
that on which the sun rises and sets." 12

The superiority of martyrdom is so great that "nobody would wish to
come back even if he were given the whole world and whatever in it,
except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would
like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's
cause.)" 13

And what is there in Paradise? Houris. "And if a houri from paradise
appeared to the people of the earth, she would fill the space between
Heaven and the Earth with light and pleasant scent and her head cover
is better than the world and whatever is in it." 14 Who would not like
to die to be in company of such houris?

Obligations of a Believer to Jihad
What are the obligations of a Muslim of a general call to arms and
what sort of Jihad and intentions are compulsory? Most people don't
like to fight and Muslims are no exception to it. But what are they to
do when Allah says:

"March forth, whether you are light (young, healthy and wealthy) or
heavy (ill, old and poor)
And strive with your wealth and your lives
In the way of Allah; that is better for you
If you but knew. Had it been a near gain (booty in front of them)
And an easy journey they would have followed you,
But the distance (Tabuk expedition) was long for them and they would
Swear by Allah (saying)
"If we only could, we would have surely have come out with you."

Allah reprimands:

"They destroy their own souls, and Allah knows
That they are liars." (9:41-42) 15

Allah continues His reprimand:

"O you who believe! What is the matter with you that when you are
asked to march forth in the Way of Allah, (i.e. Jihad), you cling
heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world
rather than the hereafter? .... (the verse). If you march not forth, He
will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another
people and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all
things." (9:38-39) 16

Is Jihad obligatory
This is best explained by Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid:

"So at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was permitted and
after that it was made obligatory- ( 1 ) against them who start "the
fighting" against you (Muslims)... (2) and against all those who
worship others along with Allah... as mentioned in SurahAI-BaqaraSl
(II), Al-lmran (III) and Baraat (IX)... and other Suras (Chapters of
the Qur'an).

Allah made "the fighting' (Jihad) obligatory for the Muslims and gave
importance to the subject-matter of Jihad in all the Suras (Chapters
of the Qur'an) which were revealed (at Medina) as in Allah's
Statement:

March forth whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy)
or heavy (being ill, old and poor), strive [ hard with your wealth and
your lives in the Cause of Allah. This is better for you if you but
knew. (V.9:41). 17

Rewards of Jihad
Where would one killed in Jihad go? The Muslim killed in Jihad would
go to Paradise and "their's (i.e. those of the Pagan's will go to Hell
Fire). 18

What are the special benefits of fighting in Allah's cause?

Whoever believes in Allah and His Messenger and lives the life of a
good Muslim will rightfully go to Paradise, no matter if he fights in
Allah's cause or not. But there is a special place for those who do.
Paradise has hundred grades which Allah has reserved for Mujahidin.
The distance between each grade is like the distance between the
Heaven and the Earth. 19

And what will those who fight in Allah's cause get in Paradise?

Bat Ye'Or well known writer on Islam notes "the ideology of jihad was
formulated by Muslim jurists and scholars, including such luminaries
as Averroes and Ibn Khaldun, from the 8th century onward. For example,
Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406) stated, "..the holy war is a religious duty,
because of the universality of the Muslim mission and the obligation
to convert everyone to Islam either by persuasion or by force...".

Modernists views refuted
As noted above, Council of American Islamic Relations asserts that
Jihad is "struggle in the battlefield for self-defense . . . or
fighting against tyranny or oppression" But Sahih Muslim, one of two
most authentic traditions does not agree with it.

Self defense or oppression has nothing to do with the concept of
Jihad. It quotes Prophet Muhammad saying:

"I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to
the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am
the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when
they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my
behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest
with Allah."20

Quoting Koran (9:39) "If you march not forth, I will punish you with a
painful torment and will replace you by another people and you cannot
harm Me at all, and Allah is able to do all things.", Sheikh Abdullah
bin Muhammad bin Hamid of Sacred Mosque of Mecca (Saudi Arabia) writes
"Allah disapproved of those who abandoned Jihad (i.e. they did not go
for Jihad) and attributed to them hypocrisy and disease in their
hearts, and threatened (all) those who remain behind from Jihad and
sit at home with horrible punishment. He (Allah) accused them with the
most ugly descriptions, rebuked them for their cowardice and spoke
against them (about their weakness and their remaining behind).21

Had Jihad been just "striving" and "an inner thing, within self, to
rid it from debased actions or inclinations" where was the need to
"march forth"? Why would Allah accuse those who did not "march forth"
of "cowardice", and "hypocrisy and disease in their hearts"?

To scholars of Islam the message of the Koran and Ahadith is clear.

It is true that not every Muslim is engaged in Jihad. It is true not
only today; it was true during the time of Prophet Muhammad also.
Those who did not were called hypocrites and their fidelity to Islam
was in question.

And if Jihad, indeed, is "mental struggle against passion or internal
struggle" - it would be welcome, I am sure, by all non-Muslims. What a
non-Muslim is primarily interested in is Jihad that affects his (non-
Muslim's) survival. However, there is no evidence in the core
scriptures of Islam that Jihad is an internal struggle within the
self.

Yes, like any other religious ideology, Islam also would like to
improve the like of its followers, in its own way but that is nowhere
called what is known as Jihad.

Psychonomist

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:35 am
From: Scott Richard Campbell A Seeker of the God Machine

Saddam supported terrorism by giving $25,000 to the families of
suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
Saddam met with Al-Qaeda and gave some of them safe harbor.

Saddam use biological weapons on the Kurds and was trying to develoop
nuclear bomb facillities before Isreal took them out.

Saddam tried to overthrow Kuwait and had intent on taking over Saudi
Arabia.

Saddam was no angel and was destined to be the next Hitler.

I don't like to see the Iraqi people suffer under Hussein and then
suffer when he is gone.

We probably don't have all the information needed to decide what
justified the invasion and whether it was the right thing to do or
not.

On Mar 5, 10:25 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 1:15 pm, thewayoftruth1 <bicbess2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "I hope you can work for this, and try to limit the activities of
> > groups like Al-Qaeda and Islamo-fascist dictators who interpret Islam
> > for their own selfish desires. " this is true and this what the
> > majority of muslims are trying to do but in other hand you also have a
> > role in limiting the activities of groups like AL-Qaeda and this by
> > refusing the war that your governments declare on muslim country under
> > false reasons like fighting terrorism and we have the example of iraq
> > that doesnt have any relation with terrorism actually this war bring
> > violence and terror to this country and as i said earlier Jihad can
> > only be declared when the Muslims are attacked and this what happened
> > in iraq ...
>
> What about the war on Afghanistan? Do you consider that war an attack
> on Muslims?

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:25 am
From: Simpleton

On Mar 4, 6:44 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2:20 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 4, 2:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > C'mon LL, you're going to let him get away with *that*?
>
> > OldMan was simply saying that God created human beings, with free will
> > who are therefore capable of sinning, thereby the atonement had to
> > happen.
>
> Not really. I do indeed believe that we are capable of free choice.
> But I do not believe God is looking for perfection from us. Rather,
> he is looking for faith from us. And it is our faith, rather than
> perfection, that 'saves' us. I believe God could have provided
> another way to test our faith.

Doesn't God already know the result of every test?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:45 am
From: OldMan

On Mar 5, 10:25 am, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 6:44 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 4, 2:20 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 2:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > > C'mon LL, you're going to let him get away with *that*?
>
> > > OldMan was simply saying that God created human beings, with free will
> > > who are therefore capable of sinning, thereby the atonement had to
> > > happen.
>
> > Not really. I do indeed believe that we are capable of free choice.
> > But I do not believe God is looking for perfection from us. Rather,
> > he is looking for faith from us. And it is our faith, rather than
> > perfection, that 'saves' us. I believe God could have provided
> > another way to test our faith.
>
> Doesn't God already know the result of every test?

Sure. So long as there is a test, he knows the results. If there is
no test, how could he know the results?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:50 am
From: Simpleton

On Mar 5, 10:45 am, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 10:25 am, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 6:44 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 2:20 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 4, 2:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > C'mon LL, you're going to let him get away with *that*?
>
> > > > OldMan was simply saying that God created human beings, with free will
> > > > who are therefore capable of sinning, thereby the atonement had to
> > > > happen.
>
> > > Not really. I do indeed believe that we are capable of free choice.
> > > But I do not believe God is looking for perfection from us. Rather,
> > > he is looking for faith from us. And it is our faith, rather than
> > > perfection, that 'saves' us. I believe God could have provided
> > > another way to test our faith.
>
> > Doesn't God already know the result of every test?
>
> Sure. So long as there is a test, he knows the results. If there is
> no test, how could he know the results?

The exact same way he'd know the results of a test after he creates
it, but before he conducts it.

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TOPIC: Prophecy full, the reaction of God is swift and atheist exposed as
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:27 am
From: Neil Kelsey

On Mar 5, 8:55 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 11:31 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 6:01 am, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
> > > now that Bush has physically sold your children into slavery for many
> > > generations and so filled the prophecy another prophecy came to pass
> > > as the cities of God rise on Earth and the power of the athiest
> > > destroyed because the vote will be on the subject not political
> > > leaders and by sheer numbers will be overrun by the Christians.
>
> > That could be the stupidest passage I've read this year. What I don't
> > get is, why aren't other Christians telling you to shut the fuck up. I
> > would never let you speak on my behalf, but then again I'm an atheist.
> > If other Christians don't say anything then I guess it's tacit
> > approval.
>
> > > Jesus screams victory in your faces long before you fell the better
> > > end of your defeat.
>
> > "Better" end of your defeat? Do you mean "bitter?" Your insanity needs
> > a spell checker.
>
> > > Poor atheist, you took on the wrong side and now will be mocked till
> > > you are all gone as we claim power and take not just the USA but the
> > > planet!
>
> > As Orwell said, theocracies are just another form of totalitarianism.
> > You are no different than a fascist or a communist. Congratulations.
>
> > But I have no idea why you are gloating (neither do you, I'm
> > guessing). The US is still a secular democracy, you're likely faced
> > with either a black guy or a woman as your President, and after the
> > CHRISTIAN oriented George Bush administration, I'm guessing the US
> > religious right is going to lose their grip on the White House for the
> > foreseeable future, just as England hasn't tolerated oppressive
> > religious fundamentalist rule since they ousted Cromwell.
>
> Unfortunately, Neil. We Canadians get to take credit for this
> Crackpot.
>
> He's from Ottawa.

Oh. He's an Easterner. That explains everything...

I gotta go now! My Kraft Dinner is boiling over! +>+

(that was my attempt at a smiley thing...believe me, we've got our
share of religious loons in the West. In fact, we elect 'em for
Premier. Remember Bill Vander Zalm? That was when I decided politics
is a form of entertainment.)

> I'm not sure if he's planning an invasion of the US ... ;-)-

Uh oh. Start up a chorus of Blame Canada.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:38 am
From: Trance Gemini

On Mar 5, 1:27 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 8:55 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 11:31 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 5, 6:01 am, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > now that Bush has physically sold your children into slavery for many
> > > > generations and so filled the prophecy another prophecy came to pass
> > > > as the cities of God rise on Earth and the power of the athiest
> > > > destroyed because the vote will be on the subject not political
> > > > leaders and by sheer numbers will be overrun by the Christians.
>
> > > That could be the stupidest passage I've read this year. What I don't
> > > get is, why aren't other Christians telling you to shut the fuck up. I
> > > would never let you speak on my behalf, but then again I'm an atheist.
> > > If other Christians don't say anything then I guess it's tacit
> > > approval.
>
> > > > Jesus screams victory in your faces long before you fell the better
> > > > end of your defeat.
>
> > > "Better" end of your defeat? Do you mean "bitter?" Your insanity needs
> > > a spell checker.
>
> > > > Poor atheist, you took on the wrong side and now will be mocked till
> > > > you are all gone as we claim power and take not just the USA but the
> > > > planet!
>
> > > As Orwell said, theocracies are just another form of totalitarianism.
> > > You are no different than a fascist or a communist. Congratulations.
>
> > > But I have no idea why you are gloating (neither do you, I'm
> > > guessing). The US is still a secular democracy, you're likely faced
> > > with either a black guy or a woman as your President, and after the
> > > CHRISTIAN oriented George Bush administration, I'm guessing the US
> > > religious right is going to lose their grip on the White House for the
> > > foreseeable future, just as England hasn't tolerated oppressive
> > > religious fundamentalist rule since they ousted Cromwell.
>
> > Unfortunately, Neil. We Canadians get to take credit for this
> > Crackpot.
>
> > He's from Ottawa.
>
> Oh. He's an Easterner. That explains everything...

No. Ottawa is North. He's a Northerner. We easterners refuse to take
credit for him.

>
> I gotta go now! My Kraft Dinner is boiling over! +>+

Ah. You Must be from Vancouver. Isn't that the staple diet there?

>
> (that was my attempt at a smiley thing...believe me, we've got our
> share of religious loons in the West. In fact, we elect 'em for
> Premier. Remember Bill Vander Zalm? That was when I decided politics
> is a form of entertainment.)

Yes I remember him well. I was living in Vancouver at that time.

Entertainment does describe the Vander Zalm era extremely well. Lol.

When I moved to Ontario I had the pleasure of Harris. One small step
up from Vander Zalm simply because he was your typical eastern stick-
in-the-mud, and no where near as entertaining ;-)

>
> > I'm not sure if he's planning an invasion of the US ... ;-)-
>
> Uh oh. Start up a chorus of Blame Canada.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:42 am
From: etienne

Our death will be yours :p

On 5 mar, 15:01, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> now that Bush has physically sold your children into slavery for many
> generations and so filled the prophecy another prophecy came to pass
> as the cities of God rise on Earth and the power of the athiest
> destroyed because the vote will be on the subject not political
> leaders and by sheer numbers will be overrun by the Christians.
>
> Jesus screams victory in your faces long before you fell the better
> end of your defeat.
> Poor atheist, you took on the wrong side and now will be mocked till
> you are all gone as we claim power and take not just the USA but the
> planet!

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:33 am
From: bonfly

This thing called Stonethatbleeds used to post as Peter_W until he was
ridiculed for uploading a file (which is still in the AvC "Files")
titled "Template lands and seals." It's Peter_W's master plan for
humanity. You can find it by clicking on Files in the top right
corner of the screen near

Home
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On Mar 6, 2:31 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 6:01 am, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
> > now that Bush has physically sold your children into slavery for many
> > generations and so filled the prophecy another prophecy came to pass
> > as the cities of God rise on Earth and the power of the athiest
> > destroyed because the vote will be on the subject not political
> > leaders and by sheer numbers will be overrun by the Christians.
>
> That could be the stupidest passage I've read this year. What I don't
> get is, why aren't other Christians telling you to shut the fuck up. I
> would never let you speak on my behalf, but then again I'm an atheist.
> If other Christians don't say anything then I guess it's tacit
> approval.
>
> > Jesus screams victory in your faces long before you fell the better
> > end of your defeat.
>
> "Better" end of your defeat? Do you mean "bitter?" Your insanity needs
> a spell checker.
>
> > Poor atheist, you took on the wrong side and now will be mocked till
> > you are all gone as we claim power and take not just the USA but the
> > planet!
>
> As Orwell said, theocracies are just another form of totalitarianism.
> You are no different than a fascist or a communist. Congratulations.
>
> But I have no idea why you are gloating (neither do you, I'm
> guessing). The US is still a secular democracy, you're likely faced
> with either a black guy or a woman as your President, and after the
> CHRISTIAN oriented George Bush administration, I'm guessing the US
> religious right is going to lose their grip on the White House for the
> foreseeable future, just as England hasn't tolerated oppressive
> religious fundamentalist rule since they ousted Cromwell.

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TOPIC: Bjorg Ogler: How do you distinguish between the Holy Spirit and Your
Own Mind ?
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/c2aaed4417b3f022?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:30 am
From: Neil Kelsey

On Mar 4, 7:25 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Here is Brock in a courtroom.
>
> LAWYER: You raped that child on April 3rd, 2007.
>
> BROCK: I say I don't. :)
>
> LAWYER: What is your alibi? We have nothing but evidence that you
> raped that little boy.
>
> BROCK: I am following my little assertions with little ASCII smileys,
> so they must be true. :)
>
> LAWYER: We also have evidence that you raped the smileys.
>
> BROCK: Hahahaha. :)
>
> LAWYER: Hahahaha.

Nice. Now I'll have to start reading his posts- I'm a big fan of
unintentional comedy.

> On Mar 4, 8:17 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 6:26 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Notice the continued lack of responsiveness. I told you, he never
> > > answers this question because he knows he's cooked if he does.
>
> > Check out the thread he started on ACRD called "The Art of Verbal
> > Intimidation." I think he's practising his technique. You know, win
> > the argument by cleverly staying out of it. I tell you, we're dealing
> > with geniuses here.
>
> > > On Mar 4, 4:43 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 4, 1:45 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 4, 1:40 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 4, 10:04 am, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Dear Bjork Ogler,
>
> > > > > > > What's the difference between you bowing on your knees every time the
> > > > > > > wind blows through your ears and you realise the presence of God ...
> > > > > > > and ... just wind blowing through your ears ?
>
> > > > > > Well, I don't know how Bjork is going to respond. I can't wait to
> > > > > > hear his response though, as he seems very well educated and simple
> > > > > > and direct in his responses. Oh, and I heard that he was recently
> > > > > > compared with Tom Cruise. :)
>
> > > > > Which would hardly be a compliment since Tom Cruise is bat-shit crazy.
>
> > > > Still no response from Bjork, thats unfortunate because I would love
> > > > to know his position on the issues.
>
> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Brock- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: Does Religion Do More Harm Than Good / Dev vs ACC Debate
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/68120162a286e7e8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:33 am
From: Allan C Cybulskie

The rules should be determined and agreed upon by the participants in
the formal debate, and not board policy. This allows them to shift to
meet the needs of those directly involved.

On Mar 5, 12:59 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 8:46 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 11:37 am, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 5, 8:20 am, Allan C Cybulskie <allan_c_cybuls...@yahoo.ca>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 5, 10:48 am, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 5, 7:15 am, Allan C Cybulskie <allan_c_cybuls...@yahoo.ca>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > OM, clean-up in aisle 2 ...
>
> > > > > Peter_W is harmless, at least to us here. Just ignore the extra white
> > > > > noise.
>
> > > > Who said anything about harm ... or just about him?
>
> > > > Already, TG has replied to him, and he'll certainly draw others, and
> > > > very quickly this thread will turn into a regular thread with 300
> > > > posts and much too difficult for me to address. The comment was that
> > > > if we got the moderators involved they could keep it clean, so I find
> > > > this response puzzling.
>
> > > Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
>
> > > I offered to delete all posts here other than between you and Dev.
> > > But Trance did not take me up on that. Because we generally only
> > > moderate spam, we need to be very careful and establish some agreed
> > > upon rules before we can really establish a fully moderated debate
>
> > Sorry OM I guess I wasn't clear. Allan's correct. I just assumed that
> > you would do that and so I didn't comment.
>
> Like I told Allan, it would be a violation of our operating rules to
> just start deleting posts in a thread. Before we can do that, we need
> to get some formal debate rules established and agree upon. Once that
> happens we could start to have moderated debate threads. I'll work up
> a quick strawman and post tonight.
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think the point of pinning it and identifying it as a debate between
> > two people only would require (and justify) that all other posts be
> > deleted or transferred to the Comments post if that's possible.
>
> > I don't know what powers Google gives the mods and whether you can do
> > that or not.
>
> > I think it's legitimate because it's identified as a thread for that
> > purpose and it was made clear that others shouldn't be posting here.
>
> > I just felt that since Peter threatened me directly I needed to
> > respond to let him know where I stood.
>
> > Even if you delete these posts, I can still deal with Peter if I
> > choose to because I receive the posts in my email and you won't be
> > able to delete from peoples emails, only from the site.
>
> > So, I don't mind if you delete this stuff.
>
> > I can't speak for others though.
>
> > > thread. Otherwise we are violating the established rules.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: Why we're here.
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/583c0875372f6ed6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:45 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

"Trust me when I tell you .. keith..."

Har! You are just jealous that my I.Q. is twice what yours is.

On 3/5/08, zencycle <zencycle@bikerider.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 3, 1:20 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone who is aware of the facts will laugh at you bonfart, and your
>
> 1) we're not laughing at bonfly, we're laughing _with_ bonfly and at
> you.
>
> > I was highly intelligent in school and didn't have to try
> > very hard.
>
> That's what they told the 'special' kids, you know, the ones that rode
> the short bus?
>
> (let me interject keiths witty retort "you mean like you?". Trust me
> when I tell you you're not impressing anyone here keith)
>
> > My sister complained constantly that I never had homework though
> > she usually did. That's because I did all my homework at school before I
>
> No, that's because your homework assignments consisted of coloring in
> the lines, and they wanted to make sure you did it there instead of
> drooling on it or eating it on the way home. You sister was jealous
> because she probably had real homework like math and science and
> didn't like having to help wipe your ass before strapping you into
> bed.
>
>
> >
>

--
Ambassador From Hell
Keith A. MacNevins
Elk Grove Village, IL USA
copyright

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TOPIC: Tree of Knowledge
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/54623e6ea40b8b04?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:46 am
From: Brock Organ

On Mar 5, 10:30 am, El Guapo <natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Xtians... who created the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
>
> (It will be much more fun if you have a fundamentalist position.)

If only some Xtians will respond.

Regards,

Brock

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 10:54 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

I'm no fundie. I'll just say that I think nature must have been somewhat
responsible for the tree described as the tree of knowledge. And BTW it is a
symbolic thing. And BTW do you all know what a parable is? A metaphor? An
allegory? An analogy? Good for you! You'll find an abundance of those in the
Bible.

On 3/5/08, Brock Organ <brockorgan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 10:30 am, El Guapo <natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Xtians... who created the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
> >
> > (It will be much more fun if you have a fundamentalist position.)
>
> If only some Xtians will respond.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brock
>
> >
>

--
Ambassador From Hell
Keith A. MacNevins
Elk Grove Village, IL USA
copyright

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:03 am
From: Brock Organ

On Mar 5, 10:30 am, El Guapo <natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Xtians... who created the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
>
> (It will be much more fun if you have a fundamentalist position.)

More interesting to me is who El Guapo thinks created it.

Regards,

Brock

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TOPIC: Positive identification
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/2a5167d1144fb829?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:09 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

Anti-theists are often very weird in their assertions. Simple minds trying
to grasp something beyond their intellectual scope.

On 3/4/08, Simpleton <human@whoever.com> wrote:
>
>
> Imagine a 341917 digit number.
>
> Imagine 3 billion people on the planet claiming to know only a few of
> the digits, and categorically stating not to know all of the digits.
>
> Now imagine these people claiming to positively state that they all
> know the same 341917 digit number.
>
>
> Would you believe them?
>
> No?
>
> Imagine an deity that is supposedly infinite.
>
> Imagine 3 billion people on the planet claiming to know only a little
> bit about it, and categorically stating not to know all of this deity.
>
> Now imagine these people claiming to positively state that they all
> know the same deity.
>
> Why would you, if you do, believe them?
> >
>

--
Ambassador From Hell
Keith A. MacNevins
Elk Grove Village, IL USA
copyright

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TOPIC: Does God have a penis?
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/c86083ecd72d19fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:17 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

You remind me of a guy I met whose name was Harry Strange. He was. But
seriously, IMO God may have created other sentient humanoid or otherwise
species on other planets, and God may have created them in his own image.
They may or may not have penises. And women, who are included in "mankind,"
do not as a rule come equipped with their own penises. So you are just a
goofball.

On 3/4/08, harry k <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Must have as he made man "in his own image". Seems odd since he is
> the only one (God) so just what does he do with it?...or do I really
> want to know?
>
> Harry K
> >
>

--
Ambassador From Hell
Keith A. MacNevins
Elk Grove Village, IL USA
copyright

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TOPIC: AvC : A Re-Evaluation
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/534eb2d1301a4d57?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:19 am
From: bonfly

Checkers that is just not true. In regard to Adam Allara, he had
advertising spam attached to every message he posted here. An example
from one post is the following ~

---------------------------------
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always stay connected to friends
---------------------------------
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Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
---------------------------------
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---------------------------------
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Also in his posts he spammed himself constantly. Often a thread was
Adam talking to himself and quoting himself. An example from one post
~

ALLARA ADAM <allaraa...@yahoo.com> wrote: I don't comprehend belief
or faith, other than to recognize it as detrimental. God is my lover.
Where is faith when you have no doubt.
ALLARA ADAM <allaraa...@yahoo.com> wrote: And, you, on both sides
of this petty debate, are virtual animals. But I love animals.
ALLARA ADAM <allaraa...@yahoo.com> wrote: Attached is one of my
paintings. I don't just paint. I am jeweler, inventor, engineer,
advisor, yet have never been taught. I do it with spirit mind.
.
.
.
In regard to the other poster (ultimatetruth), he did not "allegedly"
impersonate Keith, he wrote a fake post and indicated that Keith was
the author of that post. I'm not going to drag that post out
though. Both of them deserved to be booted.

On Mar 5, 6:36 pm, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:12 am, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 5:28 am, Checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 6:46 am, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 1, 7:19 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> > > > Exactly right. Moderated debates turn into a clique within weeks,
> > > > where only the views of a few are represented. We're open. That means
> > > > anyone can post anything, anytime, anywhere, except off topic spam.
> > > > That's it. We're not here to play pat-a-cake, we're here to hash out
> > > > brutally honest debate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > chx
> > > interesting, i thought there was a cligue already and 'were open' to
> > > ban only those we don't like even though they did not *spam*
> > > i have some thinking to do about what was just said and how banning
> > > works. the setup is scewed. no, not the setup, the people doing it!!!
> > > lets just call it a revelation to me.
>
> > Is there someone who was banned that you didn't think should be banned?
>
> chx
> going by the rule of AvC then yes!
> you banned two members that are free to say what they want regardless
> if you don't like what they say, being theist, etc.
>
> now don't get me wrong, you can ban all the stupid theists, it is a
> favour.
>
> just don't ban our favourite theist ally being Dev. i use him on a
> regular basis to show Christians what atheism is all about.
>
> the point is you banned two people since i am here that broke no rules
> of AvC...shit, there is only one rule = spamming. i guess they never
> spammed. they posted and replied to their posts. you should be
> consistent and ban all the idiot theists, lucky they are few are far
> between
>
> i'll repeat my list you convieniently did not see
>
> AvC rule - spamming
>
> banned members
>
> allara addam - sexual remark
> the recent one, forgot his name - allegedly impersonated Keith
>
> no action
>
> Dev - promoting killing, suicide and hate speech.
>
> none of the above violates the only rule of AvC
>
> you have no consistency in applying your one and only rule, this makes
> you incompetent as a moderator. maybe Keith is right.
>
> now i take some time off indefinitely as atheism is not what some
> claim it to be. it has a distastefull flavour to it thanks to you Rap.
> bitter people cannot taste the bitter in life.
>
> there is a saying in my country, i won't type it, i'll just make a
> direct translation; when you mix with pigfood, the pigs will eat you.
> (Oldman)
>
> thank you

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TOPIC: One of my heroes: Richard Feynman
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/2365d793bceac1c8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:24 am
From: chazworth

>
> > Rap based his statment on the authority of Feynman, whom he claimed
> > was in the top 3 most intelligent people to have ever been born.
> > That claim has no validity, therefore his statement is in question.
> > but more than that the statement was well outside Feynman's field of
> > expertise.
> > If you want to deal with the main point of the thread then why the
> > fuck did you choose to attack me, if you think my point is not
> > important. Get a fucking life!
>
> I did. You chose to dump on me for it.

If you are so fucking ken to talk about the main point of the thread
then go ahead.
I think the main point is rather passe, and think it is made more so
by basing it on the authority of a man who is misconceived by
fallacious arguments. If you don't want to discuss MY point then get
lost.

>
>
> > > I have no problem with honesty and don't mind being criticized if I
> > > said something completely moronic or off the wall.
>
> > Then why do you shut the fuck up and stick to the point of the thread?
>
> Because I chose to defend myself.

Boo fucking Whoo! You sound like a little girl with her fingers in her
ears, scweaming until she is sick!!

>
>
>
> > > However, instead of dealing with the main points raised by Rapp you
> > > decided to dump on him about something ridiculous and then dump on me
> > > about something equally ridiculous.
>
> > Howver instead of sticking to the points raised by the thread you
> > decided to dump on me on a point you have said is irrelevant.
>
> I chose to defend myself and point out your error.

I have not made an error - it is perfectly normal practice to attack
the basis upon which a "main point" is made. The fact is that Feynman
was making a layman's point outside the areas of his expertise, and
Rapp (who I think can defind himself) made a silly assertion which he
has not wanted to support - maybe becasue he knows that he cannot
support it. You have butted your fat nose where it was not wanted. So
fuck off - either deal with the point I was making or allow Rapp to
defend himself.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I decided to check out some of your posts on other groups because I
> > > don't know you.
>
> > > You seem to write some intelligent stuff so I don't understand why you
> > > would come here and do what you did and then get quite obnoxious about
> > > it.
>
> > Simple - asserting that Feynman is in the top 3 most intelligent
> > persons ever born is idiotic. Rap is making a false claim. To begin
> > any find of discussion with a false claim opens up the entire argument
> > to disrepute. How can we hope to be taken seriously when we do such
> > things?
> > I happen to rate Feynman very highly. He stood in stark contrast to
> > the majority of high achievers in science who come from privaleged
> > backgrounds. Feynman was a great teacher ( a quality that is rare in
> > his class), and made great contributions in his field. Feynman was an
> > ordinary guy: modest and brilliant. The main reason I reacted on the
> > point of his intelligence is because I believe he would have done
> > exactly the same.
>
> Exactly and that is a side issue. Why not deal with the main point of
> the thread.

Why are you not dealing with the mainpoint of the thread? If I want to
point to an inconsistency in the argument I will continue to do so.
Stop being a fucking hypocrite and deal with the main point if you
think that is more interesting!

>
>
>
> > > In light of the other posts I read it makes no sense to me and appears
> > > to be out of character for you.
>
> > > I'd like to know why?
>
> > I hope I have answered your question.
>
> No. You've simply chosen to keep your blinders on and miss my point.-

Why not stop asking me stupid questions and deal with the main point
if you think I should, I think you need to lead from example rather
than stick your nose in an attack me.

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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TOPIC: Top 50 atheist aphorisms
http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/b3d5de2bee7d04f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:28 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

True, we don't want to hear about your yeast infection.

On 3/4/08, Trance Gemini <trancegemini7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 115. Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does
> to
> skyscrapers
>
> This one just went into my profile!
>
> Too perfect.
>
> On Mar 3, 12:05 pm, BlueSci <blue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 10:36 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I love those! Hey go for 100. I'm enjoying it ;-)
> >
> > I'm having too much fun with this and am now over 100. Guess I'll
> > have to shoot for 200 now.
> >
> > 76. There's a sucker born-again every minute
> >
> > 77. I gave myself to Jesus...And now he never calls.
> >
> > 78. Jesus loves me, but I make him wear a condom.
> >
> > 79. Silly Chrisitan myths are for kids!
> >
> > 80. Fine! I evolved...you didn't!
> >
> > 81. Have you forgotten about Jesus? Isn't it about time you did?
> >
> > 82. Does God speak to you? There's medication for that.
> >
> > 83. They call it "creation science" because it's all made up.
> >
> > 84. Intelligent Design is the most stupid thing I've ever heard of.
> >
> > 85. Before you blame me, remember, it's all part of God's plan
> >
> > 86. The Bible...A Grim Fairy Tale
> >
> > 87. Faith is believing what you know ain't so
> > 88. Darwin loves you
> >
> > 89. Atheists are beyond belief
> >
> > 90. If you want a country run by religion, move to Iran
> >
> > 91. Heck is where people go who don't believe in Gosh
> >
> > 92. Jesus save me from your followers!
> >
> > 93. God is a control freak
> >
> > 94. Atheist. Proud member of the reality based community
> >
> > 95. Atheism. The alternative to wishful thinking
> >
> > 96. The truth shall set you free...from religion
> >
> > 97. I read the bible. That's why I'm an atheist.
> >
> > 98. No God No Problem
> >
> > 99. I think, therefore I'm an atheist.
> >
> > 100. A mind is a terrible thing to waste....on religion
> >
> > 101. If you're not an atheist, you're not reading the bible properly
> >
> > 102. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
> > answers that may never be questioned
> > 103. Freedom is the distance between church and state
> >
> > 104. So, what's your drug of choice? Religion?
> >
> > 105. Love is an emotion, not a deity.
> >
> > 106. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,
> > that whosoever would believe in him would probably believe just about
> > anything.
> >
> > 107. I don't know and you don't either!
> >
> > 108. Don't blame Christians, they just have bad role models.
> >
> > 109. If there was an afterlife, Isaac Asimov would have written a
> > book about it by now.
> > 110. When an agnostic dies, does he go to the "great perhaps"?
> > 111. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
> >
> > 112. He is YOUR God. They are YOUR Rules. YOU burn in Hell!
> >
> > 113. The last time we mixed politics with religion people got burned
> > at the stake.
> >
> > 114. Humanity without religion is like a serial killer without a
> > chain saw.
> >
> > 115. Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to
> > skyscrapers
> > 116. What schools need is a moment of science.
> > 117. Reality: That which doesn't go away when you stop believing in
> > it.
> > 118. If you are going to believe in a god, better hope it's the right
> > god.
> > 119. Non-judgement day is near
> > 120. Reality doesn't give a damn about your beliefs
> > 121. It's hard to be religous when certain people are never
> > incinerated by bolts of lightening...
> > 122 Repentance is Futile
> > 123. Atheists are Real People because they believe in Reality
> > 124. I am an agnostic pagan. I doubt the existance of many gods.
> > 125. A religious war is like children fighting over who has the
> > strongest imaginary friend.
> > 126. The Religious Right aren't, and Scientific Creationism isn't.
> > 127. Annoy a Fundamentalist Today - THINK
> > 128. God is so patient, it's as if he wasn't there.
> > 129. Science doesn't burn you at the stake for disagreeing
> > 130. Every creationist's kid is one less competitor for college.
> > 131. If god wanted people to believe in him, why did he invent logic?
> > 132. Creationism--Wholly Babble
> > 133. Mommy, tell the the part again where Jesus says I am a
> > disgusting sinner who deserves to be tortured in Hell!
> > 134. Flatter Jesus or He'll torture you in Hell!
> > 135. Here's The Deal you don't tell me about your personal savior, I
> > don't tell you about my personal yeast infection
> >
> >
> >
> > > My favorite on this list: > 65. Don't pray in my school and I won't
> > > think in your church.
> >
> > > LOL!
> >
> > > On Mar 2, 1:30 pm, BlueSci <blue...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Mar 1, 4:16 pm, El Guapo <natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > ha ha! Thx for posting...
> >
> > > > > My additions:
> >
> > > > > 51. Jesus Loves Me But Only For My Tits (doesn't work for me, but
> > > > > might for Trance - at which point Jesus and I are one)
> >
> > > > > 52. Thought about joining a church but I'm allergic to nuts
> >
> > > > > 53. Religion: the ultimate weapon of mass destruction
> >
> > > > > 54. Truth is my religion (and it doesn't have much to say about
> your
> > > > > god)
> >
> > > > > 55. Jesus is coming - and he doesn't pull out
> >
> > > > > 56. So my choice is to believe I'm related to a monkey or believe
> the
> > > > > one that's preaching?
> >
> > > > > 57. Cogito ergo dues non est
> >
> > > > > 58. To behave to avoid hell or just to get into heaven - that
> shows no
> > > > > morals
> >
> > > > A few more:
> >
> > > > 59. God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?
> >
> > > > 60. Born OK the first time
> >
> > > > 61. I found religion. I found it to be completely worthless.
> >
> > > > 62. Because all the works of science cannot equal the wisdom of
> > > > cattle sacrificing primitives that thought that all the animal
> species
> > > > in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house.
> >
> > > > 63. Christians aren't perfect. They just want you to be.
> >
> > > > 64. Stop using Jesus as an excuse to be a narrow-minded bigotted
> > > > asshole.
> >
> > > > 65. Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
> >
> > > > 66. So many christians, not enough lions.
> >
> > > > 67. If Jesus saves, why is he always asking for money?
> >
> > > > 68. The problem with baptism is, they don't hold them under long
> > > > enough
> >
> > > > 69. Read the bible. It will scare the hell out of you.
> >
> > > > 70. God is Santa Claus for adults.
> >
> > > > 71. Blasphemy is a victimless crime.
> >
> > > > 72. WWJD?--Who Wants Jelly Donuts?
> >
> > > > 73. When religion ruled the world they called it the Dark Ages.
> >
> > > > 74. Religion is myth-information
> >
> > > > 75. Praying is begging.
> >
> > > > Gee, this is fun! Think we can find enough to make 100?
> >
> > > > > On Mar 1, 4:34 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > For your entertainment :-)
> >
> > > > > > Source:
> http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/15/the-top-50-atheist-aphorisms/
> >
> > > > > > 01.15.08
> > > > > > The Top 50 Atheist Aphorisms
> >
> > > > > > Posted in Friendly Atheist at 7:06 am by Hemant Mehta
> >
> > > > > > An unofficial list of the "Top 50 Atheist T-Shirt and Bumper
> Sticker
> > > > > > Aphorisms" according to... well, I'm not sure. But some are
> quite
> > > > > > entertaining:
> >
> > > > > > 1. Abstinence Makes the Church Grow Fondlers
> >
> > > > > > 2. Honk If Your Religious Beliefs Make You An Asshole
> >
> > > > > > 3. Intelligent Design Makes My Monkey Cry
> >
> > > > > > 4. Too Stupid to Understand Science? Try Religion.
> >
> > > > > > 5. There's A REASON Why Atheists Don't Fly Planes Into
> > > > > > Buildings
> >
> > > > > > 6. "Worship Me or I Will Torture You Forever. Have a Nice
> > > > > > Day."- God.
> >
> > > > > > 7. God Doesn't Kill People. People Who Believe in God
> Kill
> > > > > > People.
> >
> > > > > > 8. If There is No God, Then What Makes the Next Kleenex
> Pop Up?
> >
> > > > > > 9. He's Dead.
> >
> > > > > > It's Been 2,000 years.
> > > > > > He's Not Coming Back.
> > > > > > Get OVER It Already!
> >
> > > > > > 10. All religion is simply evolved out of fraud, fear,
> greed,
> > > > > > imagination, and poetry. Edgar Allen Poe.
> >
> > > > > > 11. Viva La Evolución!
> >
> > > > > > 12. Actually, If You Look It Up, The Winter Solstice Is
> The
> > > > > > Reason For The Season
> >
> > > > > > 13. I Wouldn't Trust Your God Even If He Did Exist
> >
> > > > > > 14. Cheeses Is Lard. Argue With THAT If You Can.
> >
> > > > > > 15. People Who Don't Want Their Beliefs Laughed at
> Shouldn't
> > > > > > Have Such Funny Beliefs
> >
> > > > > > 16. Jesus is Coming? Don't Swallow That.
> >
> > > > > > 17. Threatening Children With Hell Is FUN!
> >
> > > > > > 18. GOD - APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD!
> >
> > > > > > 19. Jesus Told Me Republicans SUCK
> >
> > > > > > 20. God + Whacky Tobacky = Platypus
> >
> > > > > > 21. God Doesn't Exist. So, I Guess That Means No One Loves
> You.
> >
> > > > > > 22. When the Rapture Comes, We'll Get Our Country Back!
> >
> > > > > > 23. Q. How Do We Know the Holy Ghost Was Catholic?
> > > > > > A. He Used the Rhythm Method Instead of a Condom.
> >
> > > > > > 24. You Say "Heretic" Like It Was a BAD Thing
> >
> > > > > > 25. I Love Christians. They Taste Like Chicken.
> >
> > > > > > 26. Science: It Works, Bitches.
> >
> > > > > > 27. "Intelligent Design" Helping Stupid People Feel Smart
> Since
> > > > > > 1987
> >
> > > > > > 28. I Found God Between The Sheets
> >
> > > > > > 29. I Gave Up Superstitious Mumbo Jumbo For Lent
> >
> > > > > > 30. My Flying Monkey Can Beat Up Your Guardian Angel
> >
> > > > > > 31. Every Time You Play With Yourself, God Kills a Kitten
> >
> > > > > > 32. If God Wanted People to Believe in Him, Then Why Did
> He
> > > > > > Invent Logic?
> >
> > > > > > 33. Praying Is Politically Correct Schizophrenia
> >
> > > > > > 34. ALL Americans Are African Americans
> >
> > > > > > 35. I Forget - Which Day Did God Make All The Fossils?
> >
> > > > > > 36. I Was An Atheist Until The Hindus Convinced Me That I
> Was
> > > > > > God
> >
> > > > > > 37. The Spanish Inquisition: The Original Faith-based
> Initiative
> >
> > > > > > 38. If we were made in his image, when why aren't humans
> > > > > > invisible too?
> >
> > > > > > 39. JESUS SAVES....You From Thinking For Yourself
> >
> > > > > > 40. How Can You Disbelieve
> >
> > ...
> >
> > read more »
> >
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:30 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

One does wonder why you ask.

On 3/4/08, Eris <vithant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> He is his own father, isn't he?
> Think about it.
> >
>

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:32 am
From: "Keith MacNevins"

Is you a redneck BTW?

On 3/4/08, Dag Yo <sir_roko2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Perhaps God raped his granddaughter to give birth to himself.
>
> Sounds like a plausible story.
> >
>

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